Date sent: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:27:06 -0700 (PDT)

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Toby: > recommend away,

Roger: There is a publication called Science News. It's a weekly, it's short (about ten pages), and to the point. The primary audience is high schoolers, but I find it quite satisfying because it is news oriented (not issues oriented) and so the writers are fact-oriented in their writing style, and go to the trouble to seek out alternate view pionts when reporting a story.

You can view some of it, and subscribe, at HTTP://sciencenews.org

Read it for a few months, and it will bring you up to speed on mainstream science thinking. Look at the topics that are being written about and the frame of reference from which it is being written. After you have read a couple months of it, let me know if these people sound like "godless true believers" to you.

first tell me who is behind it; NEA pr amptjerjogj scjpp; teacher organization?

is any of the stuff peer reviewed?

 

Date sent: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:31:25 -0700 (PDT)

Toby: > natural law from an involved god he fashioned the laws at a minimum with a positive purpose

Roger: I thought you defined God as love?

He is love and truth and power and knowledge ... ok

If God is also defining "natural law", what other kind of law is there? Unnatural law?

yes, human (postive law we call it) written by man (malum porohibitum)

>>> the cooperative concept is a misnomer and proved as self destructive over and over:

>>hardly, proved so by who?

> i thought i referenced communism, paris commune, all the centrally controlled economies

> name a winner?

OK, you have the wrong concept in mind. I'm speaking of Cooperator and Defector in terms of the concept known as The Prisoner's Dilemma.

it is irrelevant to political economy which we are discussing, we have to have some limits to this discussion

This is a mathematics concept that is now being applied widely in Biology. This has nothing to do with the political/Communist concept of "cooperative." Here is a link to a rather formal description of The Prisoner's Dilemma:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/prisoner-dilemma/

The formal piece doesn't talk much about it's implications in biology, but people are using this concept to explain how altruism can come to be acceptable behavior between different species. Basically, if two individuals/groups/species are going to interact on a long-term basis, cooperative behavior rather than defector behavior becomes attractive.

> what in particular, i read alot.

If you're not using consistent sources, remember that The Internet is full of a lot of wacko stuff. Even more than is the case with printed publications, you need to check your sources for their accuracy, relevance and veracity.

i don't use the e-net at all for sci info. really for info just for email and some consumerism give me a farily narrow topic

 

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